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ironically) wrote2012-01-02 02:59 am
ironically) wrote2012-01-02 02:59 am
Memories 17 (Sig Neg) and 18 (Triv Neu)
Memory 17
Kira/Nanatsuaya Memory - Telling Setsuna he raped Alexiel
Taken, Night 110
Technically sharable but he ate the whole thing
Okay, this memory is split up like eight times over two or three chapters. I AM TOO LAZY TO DO ALL OF THE LINKS. It starts here with Kira walking in on Setsuna cutting Alexiel's hair. Because Kira ALWAYS HAD A THING ABOUT ALEXIEL'S HAIR he kind of freaks out and tries to stop it, accidentally calls Setsuna Alexiel, and trigger's Setsuna's 'Everyone likes Alexiel better than me!' issues.
FRANKLY I FIND ONE OF THE ENSUING SCENES ONE OF THE MOST LOL (unsure) scenes in Angel Sanctuary, because I have a hard time parsing it so it makes sense.
The FACTS are this: Kira tells Setsuna that he hated Alexiel, wanted to be the one to cut off her hair, raped and murdered her. This is all a lie. Setsuna either believes it or just gets pissed off by Kira pulling a giant fucking crazy dick move on him and runs off. Hatter is reveiled to have been watching and implies that Kira lied because he felt Hatter's presence.
Then Hatter shows Kira what is happening in a different room (which Kira can see anyway because his sword body is there), and basically Hatter's fuckery results in turning a pack of Evil's against Setsuna. One of them tires to touch Nanatsusya (Kira's sword body) and Nanatsusaya tells them to fuck off, that only Alexiel is his master and may wield him. Setsuna takes up Nanatsusaya and feels the bloodlust, but resists the urge to murder everyone in the room. But Hatter's further fuckery still results in everyone turning against him, and he fleas to find a way to bring his own body back to life.
Then Kira gets cranky and breaks Hatter's mirror.
For me the issue with this scene has always been but whyyy.
I don't understand why he would tell a deliberate lie that would hurt Setsuna just because Hatter was watching. He does not know, at this point, that Hatter is psychotically fixated on him. Even if he did know, it doesn't change anything? It really does not accomplish anything regarding Hatter, and while it's possible he doesn't want a demon to know his weakness just because that is a bad idea in general, it's still kind of a dramatic direction to go for that sort of maybe.
The option I find somewhat more believable is that Kira makes bad emotional choices. \=D/ SO THE BOY I LOVE FINDS OUT I AM ALSO IN LOVE WITH HIS PREVIOUS INCARNATION, THAT'S AWK. SOLUTION? DRIVE IT AWAY. Since Kira knows he is reaching the end of his life anyway (his Rociel blood ran out and it's not like he isn't going to get stabbed again in hell), Kira is exactly the sort of stupid mofo who would try to lessen Kira's pain by driving a wedge between them. Shit, it was tiny Sakuya's idea on what to do with his dad his entire LIFE. It's basically the only way Kira knows how to handle this shit when it comes to himself.
Sooo that is the route I am going with, and I will assume Hatter was wrong to figure that Kira was lying because of Hatter's presence (though it doesn't hurt). It was more about being put into an emotional corner, and deciding the brilliant solution is to fuck up the existing relationship because that would surely be better for everyone.
Also there is just the fact that. Kira Does Not Talk About Alexiel. So if he is GOING to talk about Alexiel in any sort of emotional context, it's going to be a fucking lie. That's just how he rolls. Fuck yes.
Anyway, I am playing this as Kira knew he was lying, knew he was being brutal, and made the decision that pushing Setsuna away was the best bet. But it's not like... it was a total lie. Nanatsusaya's feelings for Alexiel are very complicated and a part of him does legit hate her so (=
Uuuh what Lucifer learns from this is mostly that lol when he was human really was sort of emotionally a mess at times. It's kind of entertaining. Mostly he hopes that Alexiel gets this memory back from Setsuna's pov first and comes to murder him for that time her raped her =3c
Memory 18
Lucifer Memory - Whoring out to Rociel
Taken, Day 11
Not sharable
Here and here and here. Basically a series of snippets of babysitting Rociel immediately prior to entering Atziluth. Basically, Rociel's body begins to degrade after absorbing Sandalphon, Rociel believes that he has Lucifer's soul contained in a crystal and thereby has control of Lucifer, and Lucifer is pretty content to like Rociel think this since they are going in the same direction and moving in accordance with Rociel's wishes will get him where he wants to go.
Uuuh it's important to note that this is all a lie, and that Lucifer really has no trouble 'humbling' himself to doing things like carrying Rociel around, nor does he have a problem with Rociel touching him all over or taunting him about wearing his sister's skin. The comment that Rociel is disgusting was quite honest, though it's not so much because of things like 'you wear your sister's skin' so much as Rociel's core obsession with needing to be loved, a thing that Lucifer just can't view as anything other than crazy pathetic. Particularly by God because lol fuck that guy. Also Lucifer knows a masochist when he sees one. HE IS THE EVIL DOCTOR PHIL, ENABLING YOUR SELF HATRED FOR HIS OWN ENDS.
Anyway, this all results in Rociel trusting Lucifer utterly, and Rociel driving off anyone else he might rely on, who might do things like point out that the lord of hell is a lying liar and maybe you should not trust the things he says (unsure). Lucifer basically does all of the work at the end of the manga here, and it's all under Rociel's 'orders' but it's also all in line with his own plans, since Rociel and Lucifer both very much want to reach God, if for different reasons.
STUFF HE LEARNS: Rociel is poison and needs his sister's skin to look pretty, God is hiding out inside Atziluth with some kind of Tablet that grants wishes and is probably the center of his power. I guess he killed some all powerful whatthefuck ever angels to open the gates, Rociel's insanity makes him kind of gullible, because lol seriously? Containing his amnesiac soul in a gem and containing the real deal are totally different beasts. Also even when Alexiel had his gem it didn't work like that. ROCIEL FAILED TO DO HIS SOUL POSSESSION HOMEWORK. Also Rociel is gross and needy and pathetic but not useless. (I got the hotter twin).
Kira/Nanatsuaya Memory - Telling Setsuna he raped Alexiel
Taken, Night 110
Technically sharable but he ate the whole thing
Okay, this memory is split up like eight times over two or three chapters. I AM TOO LAZY TO DO ALL OF THE LINKS. It starts here with Kira walking in on Setsuna cutting Alexiel's hair. Because Kira ALWAYS HAD A THING ABOUT ALEXIEL'S HAIR he kind of freaks out and tries to stop it, accidentally calls Setsuna Alexiel, and trigger's Setsuna's 'Everyone likes Alexiel better than me!' issues.
FRANKLY I FIND ONE OF THE ENSUING SCENES ONE OF THE MOST LOL (unsure) scenes in Angel Sanctuary, because I have a hard time parsing it so it makes sense.
The FACTS are this: Kira tells Setsuna that he hated Alexiel, wanted to be the one to cut off her hair, raped and murdered her. This is all a lie. Setsuna either believes it or just gets pissed off by Kira pulling a giant fucking crazy dick move on him and runs off. Hatter is reveiled to have been watching and implies that Kira lied because he felt Hatter's presence.
Then Hatter shows Kira what is happening in a different room (which Kira can see anyway because his sword body is there), and basically Hatter's fuckery results in turning a pack of Evil's against Setsuna. One of them tires to touch Nanatsusya (Kira's sword body) and Nanatsusaya tells them to fuck off, that only Alexiel is his master and may wield him. Setsuna takes up Nanatsusaya and feels the bloodlust, but resists the urge to murder everyone in the room. But Hatter's further fuckery still results in everyone turning against him, and he fleas to find a way to bring his own body back to life.
Then Kira gets cranky and breaks Hatter's mirror.
For me the issue with this scene has always been but whyyy.
I don't understand why he would tell a deliberate lie that would hurt Setsuna just because Hatter was watching. He does not know, at this point, that Hatter is psychotically fixated on him. Even if he did know, it doesn't change anything? It really does not accomplish anything regarding Hatter, and while it's possible he doesn't want a demon to know his weakness just because that is a bad idea in general, it's still kind of a dramatic direction to go for that sort of maybe.
The option I find somewhat more believable is that Kira makes bad emotional choices. \=D/ SO THE BOY I LOVE FINDS OUT I AM ALSO IN LOVE WITH HIS PREVIOUS INCARNATION, THAT'S AWK. SOLUTION? DRIVE IT AWAY. Since Kira knows he is reaching the end of his life anyway (his Rociel blood ran out and it's not like he isn't going to get stabbed again in hell), Kira is exactly the sort of stupid mofo who would try to lessen Kira's pain by driving a wedge between them. Shit, it was tiny Sakuya's idea on what to do with his dad his entire LIFE. It's basically the only way Kira knows how to handle this shit when it comes to himself.
Sooo that is the route I am going with, and I will assume Hatter was wrong to figure that Kira was lying because of Hatter's presence (though it doesn't hurt). It was more about being put into an emotional corner, and deciding the brilliant solution is to fuck up the existing relationship because that would surely be better for everyone.
Also there is just the fact that. Kira Does Not Talk About Alexiel. So if he is GOING to talk about Alexiel in any sort of emotional context, it's going to be a fucking lie. That's just how he rolls. Fuck yes.
Anyway, I am playing this as Kira knew he was lying, knew he was being brutal, and made the decision that pushing Setsuna away was the best bet. But it's not like... it was a total lie. Nanatsusaya's feelings for Alexiel are very complicated and a part of him does legit hate her so (=
Uuuh what Lucifer learns from this is mostly that lol when he was human really was sort of emotionally a mess at times. It's kind of entertaining. Mostly he hopes that Alexiel gets this memory back from Setsuna's pov first and comes to murder him for that time her raped her =3c
Memory 18
Lucifer Memory - Whoring out to Rociel
Taken, Day 11
Not sharable
Here and here and here. Basically a series of snippets of babysitting Rociel immediately prior to entering Atziluth. Basically, Rociel's body begins to degrade after absorbing Sandalphon, Rociel believes that he has Lucifer's soul contained in a crystal and thereby has control of Lucifer, and Lucifer is pretty content to like Rociel think this since they are going in the same direction and moving in accordance with Rociel's wishes will get him where he wants to go.
Uuuh it's important to note that this is all a lie, and that Lucifer really has no trouble 'humbling' himself to doing things like carrying Rociel around, nor does he have a problem with Rociel touching him all over or taunting him about wearing his sister's skin. The comment that Rociel is disgusting was quite honest, though it's not so much because of things like 'you wear your sister's skin' so much as Rociel's core obsession with needing to be loved, a thing that Lucifer just can't view as anything other than crazy pathetic. Particularly by God because lol fuck that guy. Also Lucifer knows a masochist when he sees one. HE IS THE EVIL DOCTOR PHIL, ENABLING YOUR SELF HATRED FOR HIS OWN ENDS.
Anyway, this all results in Rociel trusting Lucifer utterly, and Rociel driving off anyone else he might rely on, who might do things like point out that the lord of hell is a lying liar and maybe you should not trust the things he says (unsure). Lucifer basically does all of the work at the end of the manga here, and it's all under Rociel's 'orders' but it's also all in line with his own plans, since Rociel and Lucifer both very much want to reach God, if for different reasons.
STUFF HE LEARNS: Rociel is poison and needs his sister's skin to look pretty, God is hiding out inside Atziluth with some kind of Tablet that grants wishes and is probably the center of his power. I guess he killed some all powerful whatthefuck ever angels to open the gates, Rociel's insanity makes him kind of gullible, because lol seriously? Containing his amnesiac soul in a gem and containing the real deal are totally different beasts. Also even when Alexiel had his gem it didn't work like that. ROCIEL FAILED TO DO HIS SOUL POSSESSION HOMEWORK. Also Rociel is gross and needy and pathetic but not useless. (I got the hotter twin).